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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484379">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey all!</p>
<p>I'm going through the Rust survey right now and there are a few things that I'm not sure how people on my large Rust project at work can answer correctly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484472">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>example: Did you upgrade Rust 2015 crates to use Rust 2018?</p>
<p>their crates were upgraded for them. "Don't recall" doesn't seem right, but neither is Yes or No</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484662" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484662">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know we are an outlier right now, but I think that for next year, having Rust projects with dedicated toolchain teams will be even more common</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484689" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484689">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello, would you be able to explain why your situation doesn't match any of the choices?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484893" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484893">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>their crates were silently upgraded for them. Besides an email notifying them they didn't do any upgrade. They have no context on if there was work done for example for the followup question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182484973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182484973">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>they also don't have context on other parts of their day-to-day such as when we have breakages on toolchain updates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485122">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>People are just marking it as "very easy" and moving on. Which isn't super accurate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485144" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485144">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay so maybe it should be it could be something like "Don't know" next time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485277" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485277">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>same with this one: Has a minor version upgrade of a dependency broken your code?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485300">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="217516">@Benjamin Brittain</span> Can I ask how their crates were silently upgraded?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485330">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>that also needs a "Don't know"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485331">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, it has. We just took care of it behind the scenes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485343">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, it has. We just took care of it behind the scenes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485434" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485434">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>all of our crates are in a single repository. cramertj and I just did the migration</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485559">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>hi <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="217516">@Benjamin Brittain</span>, how are you doing?, doesn't that mean a <code>No</code> from them and a <code>Yes</code> from you and cramertj?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485636" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485636">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>depends on what you are trying to measure with the question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485659">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I also think it's fine to answer "Don't Recall"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485684">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't build the survey but I guess the point is the followup question which ask for how hard it was the update</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485734">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I guess a <code>No</code> from them in the first question and a blank in the second is what would be expected</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485751" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485751">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>and a <code>Yes</code> from you and a score</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485754" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485754">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah so, maybe there needs to be a different path in Google Forms to skip that question.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485828">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>uh, that doesn't seem right. "did you upgrade 2015 to 2018" is a useful datapoint by itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182485866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182485866">(Dec 03 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I'd imagine you'd want all these people to mark yes, they now use 2018</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490323">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> you should leave some notes on this for next year in that google doc, thanks for the feedback <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="217516">@Benjamin Brittain</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490360">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>although it sounds like it's not entirely obvious how to best modify things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490392">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I don't have a great answer. Maybe something like a "My Rust toolchain is managed for me" option that then skips all that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490447">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seems like "Someone else did it" is reasonable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490455">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is true even for me :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182490462" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182490462">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., I often just merged PRs on random projects of mine ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182493018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182493018">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I typed some words</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182493065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182493065">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I doubt that this will skew things much at all this year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large%20companies/near/182493079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Benjamin Brittain <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/214615-t-community/rust-survey-2019/topic/Large.20companies.html#182493079">(Dec 03 2019 at 20:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>but could be a problem in the coming years</p>



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